Looking Up At The Ceiling

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by Maty » 25 Mar 2014, 21:23

schnauzy wrote:My mini started 'fly catching' around 7mths old. She would slowly tip her head back as if she was watching something crawl across the ceiling then she would snap towards her tail. She would repeat this several times then just return to normal. This would happen 3 or 4 times a day. The vet diagnosed epilepsy and said if it got worse she would need medication. However it gradually reduced and finally went away altogether after a couple of months. She had another couple of bouts over a the next two years but they never seemed to get worse in severity. Then I suddenly realised it seemed to start up quite soon after her getting a spot on flea treatment. I checked out the treatment and found people had reported all sorts of problems with their dogs after this flea treatment. I have never given her the flea treatment again and she has never had the problem since and she is now eleven.

She also had a problem with licking which improved when I changed her diet to hypoallergenic. She still has a habit of licking her paws sometimes but mostly when she is bored.
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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by lizw » 01 Apr 2014, 07:25

Buster used to stare at the ceiling too. He was diagnosed as having "petit mal" (small fit) and we were told to monitor for full epilepsy, which thankfully never developed. Interesting about the flea treatments ....


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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by jacdales » 01 Apr 2014, 08:20

Hamish just started chewing his paws this morning I saw the farmer spraying his fields on Sunday right next to my garden I'm worried he has picked up some spray on his feet I washed them with baby wipes till I can bath him tonight my other 3 don't seem to be bothered. I did notice though that my wee welsh has got greassy and smelly again. She has been fine for a year now since I changed her diet to raw. I tried to think what she could have had out of her normal routine and the posts above reminded me she had a vet prescribed frontline flea treatment last month I haven't used it for a while but I thought with the warmer weather on the way I would treat them all .

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by schnauzy » 13 Apr 2014, 13:22

Hi Maty, The treatment was Frontline and the food was James Wellbeloved.

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by Daisys Mum » 13 Apr 2014, 20:36

I have had this exact reaction with Daisy using vectra 3D, spoke to the vets today it's new to them so haven't had any other reactions, but on YouTube searching vectra dog spasms brings up loads.

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by blackdog » 09 Jun 2016, 13:11

I would be grateful for some updates from older posts, or any new ideas, as my 1 year old schnauzer has recently started doing this.

She really looked like she is hallucinating, and actually seeing something darting around, she then arches her head backwards. She also licks her paws and tries to clean her eyes/nose and will also quickly turn around to bite around the base of her tail like she has an itch. She is conscious and if we distract her by playing ball etc., these actions will stop. She is also fine in the park, plays well, loads of energy etc.
When she has this strange behaviour it seems to come on all of a sudden and has now been occurring on and off for the last fortnight.
I have checked her eyes, bathed her and given her antihistamine tablets, she is on Lily's kitchen dry food.
We are currently just monitoring her before speaking to the vet as she is completely well between episodes.

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by zeta1454 » 09 Jun 2016, 16:13

blackdog wrote:I would be grateful for some updates from older posts, or any new ideas, as my 1 year old schnauzer has recently started doing this.

She really looked like she is hallucinating, and actually seeing something darting around, she then arches her head backwards. She also licks her paws and tries to clean her eyes/nose and will also quickly turn around to bite around the base of her tail like she has an itch. She is conscious and if we distract her by playing ball etc., these actions will stop. She is also fine in the park, plays well, loads of energy etc.
When she has this strange behaviour it seems to come on all of a sudden and has now been occurring on and off for the last fortnight.
I have checked her eyes, bathed her and given her antihistamine tablets, she is on Lily's kitchen dry food.
We are currently just monitoring her before speaking to the vet as she is completely well between episodes.
There are a few threads on the Forum covering this topic if you do a search under " star gazing " - there is a link to one here:

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Our very first miniature schnauzer did start these kind of "fly biting" and similar behaviours intermittently when she was young, flinging back her head, staring at the ceiling and occasionally seeming to be losing awareness of her surroundings. We did consult the vet ( this is nearly 20 years ago now) and we were told to just monitor it and only come back if it became frequent or worsened which it did not. It lessened and eventually stopped without treatment of any kind.

Some people believe the reaction is due to the use of certain flea treatments such as Advocate and there is a thread on that too:

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There has also been a study which seemed to show a link between this kind of behaviour and a gastro-intestinal issue:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4204840/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Neurological issues in dogs can be triggered by a range of causes from genetics to environmental toxins, chemical anti-parasitic treatments to vaccines but, if you do decide to take your little one to the vet it may also be worth mentioning the possible link to the gastric issues triggering this behaviour as highlighted in the above article.

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by Leena » 24 Jun 2020, 19:49

New here! I basically landed on this thread as my mini started showing these symptoms last night. Looking at the ceiling, snapping in air, running back and forth frantically, trying to chew his back side and licking his foot. He is 1yr and 4 months and I did not understand what was happening. I gave him a bath (thinking there might be a fly/ant/something) that might be bothering him. That seemed to calm him down and he slept for a while.
He is still showing some of that behavior and I have him scheduled for a complete check- up tomorrow. But it was really helpful reading this thread and to see that there are other people + mini's going through it and ts manageable! Thank you.
Hoping its not something serious..he is a sensitive guy and this thing is really stressing him (and me) out! :((

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by Dinkum » 25 Jun 2020, 07:13

Watson had something similar last year. He would look at the ceiling, turn round in circles, trying to chew his bum and licking his back legs.

Turned out he had a blocked anal gland. Once the vet had expressed it, the behaviour stops.

It was scary at first, because you read of stargazing and seizures and you really worry.

Worst thing about anal glands, is the smell.

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by Oscar 12345 » 25 Jun 2020, 10:06

Yes my Sister's schnauzer had exactly the same symptoms when her anal glands were impacted. If it does happen to be anal glands, do let us know and do come back on here, there are many on here that can perhaps help/chat about diet that can help prevent anal gland problems.
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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by Lou78 » 29 Jun 2020, 16:21

We had this exact same thing when Ollie had an infected anal gland. He still does this occasionally but we have his anal glands expressed regularly. and have changed his diet We are worried at the moment as the behaviour is returning (not all the time, just on and off) and he is long over due an "express". Our vets have said it isnt on their "emergency" procedures they are doing at the moment. That's as may be but it will be an "emergency" when he has an infection again! They know he suffers from it and it took 2 lots of antibiotics to clear last time. Can't say i am terribly impressed with our vets on the whole but maybe i wasn't pushy enough, apparently they are back to "normal" next week so i may have to get my "Pushy Schnauzer Mum" pants on!!! Anyway, that is a different story! Good luck!

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Re: Looking Up At The Ceiling

Post by Oscar 12345 » 30 Jun 2020, 18:24

Louise, get those pushy pants on. Silly vet of one of my friends is wanting to do a telephone consultation for a tooth problem.... how's that going to work I ask myself. Can't believe that vets aren't on the list of key workers. People clearly not understanding how important our pets are for our mental health.
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