Billy No Mates for fleas and ticks?

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Billy No Mates for fleas and ticks?

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BNM has been recommended to me to deal with ticks and fleas without using Frontline-like solutions. Our vet gave us Endectrid (which doesn't deal with ticks, but does do fleas, lungworm and worms).
I wonder what others think? Our mini boy is 20 weeks and we found two ticks last week. A neem shampoo was also recommended. The same friend, who takes a natural approach, does't worm, but just checks poo.
Should I stick with the Endectrid for the time being and also use Billy No Mates in his food for the ticks? One was a big tick which made us very worried!!
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Re: Billy No Mates for fleas and ticks?

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I would not use any of the chemical spot on products with our dogs. They are potentially damaging to both the environment and the health of the dog. If you check out the details of the active chemicals online you will see what I mean. This is just one of them:

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/imidagen.html

Endectrid is the basically the same product as Advocate marketed under a different name by CVS, the corporate company that owns many vet surgeries in the U.K. and elsewhere. The company make the profits for their shareholders by encouraging vet surgeries to promote their products and sign up for monthly payment plans as well as referring clients to other pet related businesses they own from groomers to pet crematoria and their own referral centres for specialist treatment. Their brand name is MiPet.

https://www.vettimes.co.uk/news/new-par ... d-ferrets/

This is from the data sheet for Advocate re possible side effects but you could check the insert for Endectrid for the relevant details for that which are likely to be the same:

“In case of accidental oral uptake, symptomatic treatment should be administered. There is no known specific antidote. The use of activated charcoal may be beneficial. After accidental oral ingestion (e.g. licking at the site of application) or overdose, neurological signs (most of which are transient) such as ataxia, generalised tremors, ocular signs (dilated pupils, little pupillary reflex, nystagmus), abnormal respiration, salivation and vomiting may be observed in very rare cases.
The use of the product may result in transient pruritus in the animal. Vomiting can occur on rare occasions. In dogs transient local skin sensitivity reactions including increased itching, hair loss, greasy fur and redness at application site have been reported in very rare cases in spontaneous (pharmacovigilance) reports. In cats greasy fur and erythema can occur on rare occasions. These signs disappear without further treatment. If the animal licks the application site after treatment, neurological signs (most of which are transient) may be observed in very rare cases....The product may, in rare cases cause local hypersensitivity reactions. The product may in very rare cases cause at the application site a sensation resulting in transient behavioural changes such as lethargy, agitation, and inappetence.“

More details about the product are on this link:

https://parasitipedia.net/index.php?opt ... temid=4227

There is some relevant information re dealing with ticks in particular on the recent Forum post regarding Giant Schnauzers and ticks which you should find below.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25418

If you want to use a more natural and less risky product such as Billy No Mates, these herbal based products do take about six weeks to build up in a dog’s system enough to be repellent to parasites so it is not a quick solution but I would recommend doing this personally. I give our dogs Dorwest Herbs Garlic and Fenugreek tablets daily and, although they are not marketed as anti-parasite they do seem to help to keep the dogs parasite free. There is a useful link re natural products here:

https://cam4animals.co.uk/supporters-tick-tips/

A tick removal tool is vital and just check your pup regularly and remove when found. If you try to keep him away from overgrown grassy areas early morning and evening this should also reduce the risk.
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Re: Billy No Mates for fleas and ticks?

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Thanks so much for taking the time to go through all the tick options! I don't like the idea of him being so medicated, but neighbours are also reporting ticks on their dogs (we live near woods in north London), so I may use a chemical solution until the Billy No Mates kicks in, just for this summer. Bravecto has been suggested by one neighbour - a chewy pill, so he might get that in the meantime.
He's so hairy at the moment as we are finding it impossible to get a grooming appointment, so plenty places for ticks to hide!
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Re: Billy No Mates for fleas and ticks?

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Im not giving billy no mates but I looked at the ingredients mint, lemon balm, fenugreek, seaweed, neem. I've just started giving Jasper a seaweed supplement its also supposed to be good for prevention of plaque build up as well as other health benefits, I also give him lemon balm in his food that has a calming effect. He also has the garlic and fenugreek that Leigh mentioned. The neem is a pungent smell which I think is why my previous dog wouldnt touch food with Billy no mates on and why I havent tried it with Jasper. I also made up a spray with the neem oil in but he really didnt like the smell and after a couple of applications ran off if he saw the bottle :)) so not tried that again.
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Re: Billy No Mates for fleas and ticks?

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Lindz wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 08:56 Thanks so much for taking the time to go through all the tick options! I don't like the idea of him being so medicated, but neighbours are also reporting ticks on their dogs (we live near woods in north London), so I may use a chemical solution until the Billy No Mates kicks in, just for this summer. Bravecto has been suggested by one neighbour - a chewy pill, so he might get that in the meantime.
He's so hairy at the moment as we are finding it impossible to get a grooming appointment, so plenty places for ticks to hide!
Re Bravecto - I would be cautious with this as it is one of the products that has been known to cause health issues in some dogs. As with all medications / anti-parasite treatments, it is always worth checking the full data sheet to work out if the benefits do outweigh the risks.

The following is a link to the data sheet for Bravecto chewable tablets for dogs:

https://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/?id=-4 ... _printview

As with most of the anti-parasite treatments they don’t act as a repellent but need the tick / flea to feed before killing them so don’t necessarily guarantee against disease transmission:~

Parasites need to start feeding on the host to become exposed to fluralaner; therefore the risk of the transmission of parasite borne diseases cannot be excluded.”

These are the acknowledged adverse effects but some people have reported more serious concerns in their own dogs:

Mild and transient gastrointestinal effects such as diarrhoea, vomiting, inappetence, and drooling were commonly observed in clinical trials (1.6% of treated dogs).
Lethargy, muscle tremor, ataxia and convulsions have been reported very rarely in spontaneous reports.
Most reported adverse reactions were self-limiting and of short duration.”


Of course, you must make your own judgement on what to use but just check the information sheets for any treatments you give to your dog and, if they do have any adverse reaction, let the vet know.
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