Why are boy dogs so attracted to mine?

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Why are boy dogs so attracted to mine?

Post by Lesbreits » 08 May 2020, 20:05

Hello everyone,

This a long post (blush). Lockdown-induced wordiness!

My mini schnauzer will be 2 years old in 2 weeks. He comes from an excellent breeder and we waited 1.5 years for him. If you remember us Leigh, thank you :-)

Toro has always been a very friendly, well-adjusted dog. Other than typical adolescent behaviour such as fearlessness, over-excitement and obsessive marking, he's never shown any aggressive behaviour, doesn't bark unnecessarily and hardly ever humped anything.

Had it not been for the fact we live in central London, I would've left him as nature intended. However, city living presents higher frequencies of meeting large, unneutered breeds in local parks. This isn’t a problem unless their owners are unstable people relying on aggressive breeds to bolster their self-esteem. We’ve narrowly avoided a few confrontations with such personalities. When one mini owner told me he finally had his neutered at 5 years old after he was set upon by a pack of outlawed bull terrier breed, I decided it has to be done.

So, I had him on Suprelorin at 13 months old. I have always been very ambivalent about irreversible surgery - ie castration - particularly when more and more studies have shown it doesn’t guarantee behavioural change and can result in other adverse effects. Besides, my breeder has been encouraging me to try him out in shows. I don’t plan on going this route, but it’s nice to know I’ve kept up to her standards!

For the record, chemical implants have helped to calm his raging hormones and also made him less reactive to unneutered males. It has reduced his marking tendencies somewhat - instead of every tree, postbox, bin and street lamp, he’s now able to make it to his favourite park by marking 5 out of 15 spots LOL.

However, since his second implant in Jan, I noticed something really strange. He seems to receive lots of over-zealous attention from male dogs, particularly unneutered ones. They always end up licking his boy-bit. It is definitely an awkward sight for the human eye, but I’ve read/heard that it is male-bonding and Toro seems quite happy as he stands calmly and stoically taking in the attention. Very often though, licking becomes really obsessive and the other dog won’t stop, or it turns to amorous humping with a few encounters reaching full arousal. As soon as humping occurs, Toro will growl and bite back as he hates being humped. He appears to be a little stressed after such encounters, particularly when he's hounded by big, relentless ones who would follow us across the park! I step in each time the situation gets out of control. I am concerned because it's happening too often...

I don’t know if the other dogs are being dominant, or insecure, or lack proper discipline and training to behave this way? Or is mine giving off a certain scent that attracts boy dogs? Am I missing some signs or symptoms of something else? Toro isn’t shy, fearful or passive by nature, doesn’t roll over on his back during play unless he’s been shoved to the ground by bigger, more boisterous dogs.

I've checked him for signs of infections but everything looks fine. Neither does he lick himself there which would indicate something is wrong.

I tried researching online but couldn’t find anything reliable to count on. I’m aware dogs can emit a unique scent when they’ve just been neutered, but it’s been 4 months since. I chanced upon an online article which suggests neutered dogs can sometimes smell like bitches in season; I don’t think this finding is rooted in scientific research. I haven't been able to see his vets since the lockdown. Turning to this forum to see if any other owners have the same experience?

Thank you.

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Re: Why are boy dogs so attracted to mine?

Post by zeta1454 » 08 May 2020, 20:53

Hello Wendy and I do remember you from your first enquiry here. Great to know that you have a lovely mini schnauzer boy in the family now.

The situation you describe is not uncommon in castrated males although anecdotally I have heard that this does wear off after a while which may be more than 4 months? I understand that a reduction in circulating testosterone may create a confusing scent for other dogs by allowing the scent of oestrogen (which is also produced in male dogs) to be more obvious. Whether this is true and, if so, whether it is temporary, your vet may be able to advise but it is certainly true that other owners of castrated dogs have reported the same issue as you describe so I suspect it is related to scent rather than behavioural issues. It is a shame that other dogs' owners are not more considerate though to control their dogs in the park.

Hopefully another Forum member with more direct experience with their dog using Suprelorin may be able to help as it is not something we have seen with our neutered dogs - although we don't live in a busy metropolis (even before lockdown!) so meet fewer dogs than you will in the city.
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Re: Why are boy dogs so attracted to mine?

Post by Oscar 12345 » 09 May 2020, 10:36

Hi Wendy, I have some experience of this. Oscar my first schnauzer was entire his whole life. No aggression, no humping ever, no interest in the ladies either in heat or not. Very submissive if a big dog had a go at him, however, he was very interesting to other male dogs. Some castrated dogs used to not like him so I used to believe his smell was seen as a threat to them and mainly entire dogs used to like him a lot in the way that Toro is experiencing. Oscar didn't like any dog trying to hump him and I tended to call him away from over aroused strange dogs as he didn't like it although he didn't tell them off. Otto meanwhile completely different, fear aggressive with dogs so I tried suprelorin at around 18 months as I didn't want to make his behaviour worse permanently by castrating. Unfortunately I can't tell you whether it made other males over aroused because I was doing so much training with him to make him more comfortable with other dogs that I really chose the meetings very very carefully and that meant a lot of male dogs were avoided. His implant has worn off now and he has all of his confidence back and the implant by switching off the hormones for a while allowed the training to sink in resulting in a much calmer dog. I still have no idea whether other male dogs are interested in him because if they tried he would have words. I think it is all about the scent that Toro is giving off.
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Re: Why are boy dogs so attracted to mine?

Post by mikegoodson1 » 12 May 2020, 15:49

My boy (Oscar) is 4.5 years old now, was neutered at around 6 months old and still suffers from this occasionally, where boy dogs sniff around him and try to get amorous. When it first started happening, I used to get really upset and try and 'shoo' the other dogs away, whilst the other dogs owner would think this was a hoot :(

Until one day, another mini Schnauzer actually, tried it on with Oscar and Oscar decided to let them know he didn't like it.

He wasn't aggressive in my opinion. He didn't snarl or bare his teeth but growled enough to let that dog know. Since then, the instances have declined from all dogs, Oscar still gets the attention but now stands up to the bullies (as I like to think of them as, although they are probably not).

So nothing you can really go on I guess other than knowing it happens to loads of us!

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Re: Why are boy dogs so attracted to mine?

Post by Lesbreits » 12 May 2020, 17:33

Thank you Leigh, Julie and Mike!

I feel much better knowing Toro's not alone in this.

We had to leave the park earlier today because he was besieged by 2 unneutered Italian greyhounds and a cockapoo! Not a pleasant sight and though Toro bared his teeth, growled and nipped, they wouldn't stop till owners intervened. I know these dogs and their owners to be friendly and I don't see them behaving the same with other dogs. So I think it really is something to do with Toro's odeur de parfum :))

I really hope it goes away with time....I'll have to check in with his vet as soon as the lockdown is lifted. It's almost a daily occurrence unless we avoid any socialisation.

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Re: Why are boy dogs so attracted to mine?

Post by mikegoodson1 » 13 May 2020, 16:39

I would be interested to know what explanation your vet gives Wendy :-)

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