Original pics of Standard Schnauzers, historical purposes

[Gehlsurf]

Hi guys,

So, this coming weekend I get to pick up my then 8 week old Standard!!! I'm super excited!!! Got to get a stripping knife and will be ordering a grooming kit (assorted round tipped scissors) tomorrow. A Groomer.dk under rake is in transit from Denmark now. Figured it would be good for getting that puppy coat out- please correct if I'm wrong here.

Anyhow, as with anything else, like Jeeps and other hobbies, part of the fun is making stuff look cool, a crowd catcher, etc. I like the idea of the famous mustache and eye brows, cause let's face it, that's a Schnauzer!!! But I also like historical stuff, got a 30 year old Jeep, love Military rifles, used to make Cafe Racer motorcycles, etc. I'm a Gen X'er, so "Vintage" has always been cool to me.

Do you guys know of a good site to find old historical photos of Schnauzers? I can only find 1 or 2 on Google, but I cant imagine there isn't a web page with old photos. The ones that I am finding look more like normal terriers. I'm ok with that, mustaches grow back, lol. I wouldnt mind seeing the progression of the furnishings, if possible, and would find it quite interesting. Especially show dogs, possibly, vs farm dogs. Dont get me wrong, not opposed to taking a dog that looks chiseled from Titanium and steel from the Art Deco period in the woods with me, lol, just interested in history. By the way, his name will be Schluter. Wife is an interior designer and I do construction, kinda seemed fitting.... only some will understand this reference, lol.

As usual, thanks!!! I havent posted much, cause I dont have him yet, but I lurk, and lurk on here, lol. Especially for the different tools and methods. He'll he one dapper looking kiddo, I'll see to that!!

[zeta1454]

Hi Matthew - exciting news that you are soon to pick up your new puppy, Schluter

I can’t help with a website of historic photos of standard schnauzers - there may be a book perhaps which would have more? The standard schnauzer, as the original schnauzer breed, has changed less perhaps than the other two - certainly less than the miniature schnauzer with regard to facial hair and leg furnishings. There are a few links here with individual photos which you may have seen before but it does show that standards with minimal furnishings have still excelled in the show ring in the past few years. I have put links from Crufts in the U.K. so dogs are not cropped - or docked in the most recent years.

https://www.mediastorehouse.com/dmcs-se ... +schnauzer+

https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/ ... w-1323469a

http://crufts.fossedata.co.uk/Breed.asp ... ZR_BOB.jpg

http://crufts.fossedata.co.uk/Breed.asp ... ZR_BOB.jpg

https://www.mediastorehouse.com/the-ken ... odid=73045

You may find photos of standard schnauzers at USA shows online over the years such as Westminster for other images of show schnauzers.

[Dawnspell]

I've looked for similar about miniature schnauzers. I found there was a similar database for stanadards. There a a couple of 1980s photos on front page clicking on their details it has their pedigrees which you can then click on again. I found one going back to 1951 with a photo. Post any interesting ones you find its always interesting to see how breeds have changed. I'm thinking standards wont have changed as much as minis over the years
http://standard-schnauzer.info/dog.php? ... =1&id=1630

[Dawnspell]

I got carried away looking at the miniature database. This is the oldest actual photo I could find going back to 1899 and its still at the point when Affenpinchers were in the lines to get the breed. The next cross seems to be when it then becomes schnauzer, but could be wrong
http://www.zwerg-schnauzer.info/dog.php ... =1&id=7781

[zeta1454]

I got carried away looking at the miniature database. This is the oldest actual photo I could find going back to 1899 and its still at the point when Affenpinchers were in the lines to get the breed. The next cross seems to be when it then becomes schnauzer, but could be wrong
http://www.zwerg-schnauzer.info/dog.php ... =1&id=7781

It is fascinating looking back at the origins of the miniature schnauzer and probably impossible to be certain about when a cross-breeding produced the first mini. The best book I have read on the subject is The Complete Miniature Schnauzer by Anne Paramoure Eskrigge. Her book reproduces this picture of the first miniature schnauzer registered in the German Pinscher Zuchtbuch:




But she does point out that there may well have been earlier registrations in a different stud book which she had not been able to examine. Jocco was also younger (from his whelping date) than some other dogs registered at a later date as being miniature schnauzers. She also comments on the dog shown on your link “Fritzle” as possibly being a miniature schnauzer but having been listed as an Affenpinscher by Emil Ilgner whose book on German Dogs was published in 1902. Ilgner was not a schnauzer specialist and knew that Fritzle’s breeder, Georg Goeller, was known for breeding Affenpinschers and may have simply labelled his picture of Fritzle accordingly, especially as so few miniature schnauzers would have been known at that time. There are other references which may support the idea that Fritzle was actually the first miniature schnauzer but the situation with registrations and breeding in the 19th and early 20th century was pretty disorganised and random and I think it may never be possible to pinpoint the exact ‘first’ mini schnauzer but it is really interesting following the breeding links from the past.

[Gehlsurf]

Nice replies guys!!! Thanks!!

Man, that one link with the family tree/pedigree pics is insane, that page is awesome.

It's kind of funny, they have changed a fair amount, with furnishings and definitely some things like ears. Seems like clipping ears is a fairly recent thing. My little guy will have natural ears, but cropped tail. It's kind of fun to see all of these pics, as it really shows how versatile they are cut/fashion wise, almost like 2 different dogs!!

Hey, that's a good thing for us, never get bored with grooming, right? Lol

Thanks again!! Really cool to see these lineages.

[Gehlsurf]

Only thing I dont quite get is the legs, how did they keep those leg furnishings short and sporty looking? Maybe they used to hand strip those, too? They look more wiry than today's breed.

[Dawnspell]

Its a shame theres not more actual photos of the original dogs, drawings of the same dog can vary so much.

Yes it could be they were originally stripped. I know breeds such as wire haired fox terriers have their legs stripped. Wire does come in on the legs I pulled a small patch bald on my previous boy and it came in wire but it wasnt as thick as on the jacket. Maybe if id kept rolling it it would have changed but I didnt. I've read of breeders with pups that have softer jackets letting the coat blow and pulling bald a couple of times and this can make the coat harder so maybe its the same for legs.

[Gehlsurf]

Interesting, thanks Dawnspell! I'm not sure I would want to strip another, probably 40% of the dog? Lol. That's dedication, but maybe use a stone, regular rake and see how it goes, not full soft, but not full wire, either. Dunno if I have that theory correct though.

[Gehlsurf]

Oh, and yeah, I agree, wish there were more pics, especially since they were supposedly so common and even used during conflict and such, I believe the Salvation Army used to use them during war time. And even other places like everyday life, but so be it. If I find some, I'll post as well. Or maybe start a dedicated thread. You'd be suprised how nostalgic pictures can keep some industries going. From old cars, motorcycles, historic rifles, houses, etc. Wouldn't think that dogs are any different, good way to keep a breed around longer.

[Dawnspell]

Interesting, thanks Dawnspell! I'm not sure I would want to strip another, probably 40% of the dog? Lol. That's dedication, but maybe use a stone, regular rake and see how it goes, not full soft, but not full wire, either. Dunno if I have that theory correct though.

Nope I'm not going to start on legs either Be interesting to see what results you get

[Gehlsurf]

Dawnspell, I'm gonna try it, lol. Next post may be me missing fingers.... but ya only live once, right? Maybe my mind will change when he's older, but I stripped him today with a stone (I think) and I gotta tell you, it's kind of addicting!! Maybe I have OCD, lol. Oh, and a Corona with a fresh lime off my tree certainly helps, too....

[Dawnspell]

yep once you start you can't stop

[Schnauzerluv]

I hear ya on not stopping, but maybe I have OCD as well haha. I knew I would probably obsess over it a bit. I find the side flanks and legs don't have as much bulk (coverage) as the strip down the back. If I'm not careful on the sides (like toward the belly) I can make a bald spot pretty quick.

Always fun to hear from someone who enjoys hand stripping as well. I am so glad I started this and think everyone should try it.

I am not leaving much of a skirt on Ozzy, so I hand strip further down. Also I stripped a bit of his legs (by accident) and same here it grew back wire. I also thought about stripping in the beard because my boy has a full beard, but using the Andis deshedding tool works well enough to keep his beard neater.

I feel there's so much art to this method of grooming, you can tailor to whatever look you want!